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Garmin Forerunner vs Quote Reply. Post 1 of 20 views. I'm thinking of getting something since the old HR monitor crapped out. Which is more accurate or more sensitive? Which is easier to use? Battery life? I thought I'd ask from people who have actually used them -Jason I believe cars are the new second hand smoke. Quote Reply. Post 2 of 20 views. It has done the same twice more, so until I can come up some Heath Robinson cover for it, I'll have to refrain from subjecting it to the worst of our Scottish deluges it's OK in showers.
I also prefer the larger form factor of the vs the , but it does mean that you can't just pull your sleeve over it as a weather shield. I've heard that the can have probs in the rain because the rain can trigger the touch-sensitive bezel, but you can turn that off. Lots of related info on the SportTracks forum pages. Nov 30, PM. Definately go for the xt for the Waterproofness!! Also I always pull my sleeves over it, thats no big problem, the size never bothered me.
I'd also choose the again. Althogh has a longer battery life 20 hours instead of 10 , but I never had problems with it, they lasted every one-day-hike up until now, even in winter conditions. Hmmm seams like is the one to go for. And that means that a proposal to the club to get a few for the club is going in as well.
Thank you everyone for all the advice!!!! Dec 1, AM. Amazon only charges taxes in states it's legally required to do so see Supreme Court case Quill v. North Dakota , and Amazon does not charge taxes in AZ I take back the insinuation regarding you - checking on the AZ DOR site, it looks like you are within the law.
Actually it looks like in Arizona this isn't true. So, sorry for the implicit accusation. I get really pissed off with this in states like CT or MA where people just dodge the tax. It's plain dishonest. In AZ it looks like the issue is a badly designed tax system. Dec 1, PM. It is net of sales taxes paid to other jurisdictions, though. Not only does that sound like a major pita, I'm not sure very many other people know, either. Guess I'm safe in AZ for the time being. It's hard to avoid now: it's on the income tax form.
Your return is officially invalid in many states if you leave the line blank though not if you fill in zero. It's not just online purchases, it's also in MA purchases from driving over the state line to NH no sales tax that you are supposed to pay use tax on. It has been an issue there since way before the internet.
And yes, it's a slight nuisance all you have to do at year-end is go back through your credit card online statement; it's not that hard which is why I now shop at Amazon more than I used to, since they do actually charge the tax for me in NY, stopping me from having to keep track of it.
I'm no "tea-partier" far from it , but a state expecting its citizens to declare and pay taxes for out-of-state purchases, IMO, is outrageous. Online purchases delivered into one's state are another matter, but it should be the retailer's responsibility to collect the tax. I should have known what a "scofflaw" was, it was the title of the 99th Seinfeld episode.
Dec 2, AM. I'll leave it to feet to decide whether that would be scofflawing it or not. If you filed MA taxes and earned Sweet, being an underpaid teacher finally pays off!
Dec 2, PM. Close, but not quite right. If you don't want to keep track of all your purchases subject to the use tax, there is a so-called "safe harbor" provision by which you calculate your use tax based on your income instead of on your untaxed purchases. Doing it this way is perfectly legal. So legally you owe the use tax on any purchases of 1K or more, plus the safe harbor calculated amount.
Having said that, I'm not aware of anyone other than Feet maybe? Those who consider being presidents, senators, governors or other high profile, definitely should pay I had no issues connecting up my existing transmitter to the , or adding a new one to another bike — quick and easy. However, on Friday I went inside and gave it a quick whirl on the treadmill after my swim.
You have to first calibrate it outdoors, and that takes about 5 minutes of running around aimlessly while it uses GPS to calibrate. You can also use a known measured distance such as on a track to calibrate it. Then it beeped an error about lost GPS signal duh.. About a minute later it gave another error and did the same thing.
It appears though that it for a brief second picked up a GPS signal and then lost it, causing it to think it was outdoors again and thus change the pace and associated distance. More useful to me however is the foot pods ability to give turnover rates how many times per minute your foot strikes the ground. Speaking in broad strokes — higher cadence is better — so this is a useful way of see how different paces affect my turnover. The heart rate monitor strap measures your heart rate beats per minute.
When you purchase the you can choose to get the unit with or without one. I wanted to call this out specifically. Unlike the , the is not detachable from the wristband. Thus, a different bike mount is required. Undoing it from the mount takes a solid 30 seconds if your calm and collected — so not exactly ideal during a triathlon in transition.
You simply use two zip ties to attach the mount to your handlebars photo below showing it mounted to my mountain bike. There is one little problem here though. You might be able to get by, but it looks horrible note how below is all elongated, whereas two photos above its nice and round. The problem is that the rubber piece has to bend outward, which in turn makes it just barely too big to get a secure fit on the wrist strap.
The problem with using the while swimming is the initial cap placement. See, the can both detach from the wristband, as well as having the advantage of having a relatively flat wristband. See the below comparison. The contains a really low profile, while the is really high up.
This means that under your swim cap will look a whole lot funnier than it would otherwise. Not that lack of style will keep me from using it in a pinch in the water.
I think the Forerunner is a great addition to the Garmin fitness family. However, its not without its limitations. Garmin itself is fairly clear in that if your a triathlete — the is still their premier multisport watch now the XT. I was really excited when I first got this watch, but my excitement for it has waned a bit.
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Subscribe me to the newsletter. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. Thanks for the info on Sports Track 2. While I was waiting in the streets of downtown Portland, among the large buildings, for the marathon start last weekend I saw a huge number of runners frantically waving their older Forerunners in the air in the hopes of getting a satelite connection.
I checked my watch and had full connectivity, so perhaps that is one enhancement worth mentioning for the Ray—thats way too much information for dumb asses like myself. I think you have a new career working for Consumer Reports or one of the Tri-Mag. Seriously, great update. However, I think I am going to stay with my for now. I like being able to read it while on the go. THank you for this amazing review! I am looking to make some upgrades but after some initial research and then reading this — I am not going to spring for the There just seem to be too many issues that would get in the way — and not make it as versatile for a triathlete — to justify the pricetag.
You should send a copy of this to the folks over at Garmin. I am still rocking the Forerunner — I keep hoping it will die so I can justify the investment in a new one so when it does, thanks for the review! Great post! Awesome review, Ray — thanks. I forwarded it to my tech buddy who will love this. Maybe the older model still works with the ??? Thanks for posting this. I had a for a while then sold it and got a Polar Sx… Now I want a edge for just bike use.
It never ends. Very well-done. Agree with lazy triathlete- I think you need a side job with Triathlete mag reviewing products. I just checked my Amazon. Great review. Maybe they will eventually make it a true upgrade, not just smaller. Thanks for your detail review. I have been using Garmin for almost a year and I am happy with it. However, recently, I have started wearing whole day in order to keep track of number of miles I walk apart from my running.
To save battery, I generally switch it off once I am inside the building and use only when I am outside and walking. However, as you said in your post, is much bigger and thereby attracts lot of attraction. Basically, I am looking for an instrument which I can use as a watch to see time and wear whole day and also as a mean to keep track of miles I walked. Do you think will work in my case or do you know of any other product. Another option would have been to use pedometer.
He was nice enough to give me a new heart rate mointer and he helped me out a lot with the watch, unfourntely when he was trying to pair it he acciendently hit another language so it took us about 1 hour to get everything figured out, I understand the headache you have with the watch but once you figure it out its a great tool for running , I call it my R2D2, hahah , anyways great blog.
I really want to break into the world of GPS for accuracy reasons but am seriously struggling making my mind up about the I understand your criticisms about the aesthetic qualities of the touch bezel but was wondering if you could elaborate regarding the features of the watch for runners?
Can you turn this feature off? How easy is is to set up target paces for sessions? Can this be changed on the fly? Albeit with difficulty because of the bezel most probably? Erm… thanks for taking the time to read this far and I would appreciate any feedback you could send my way.
It looks virtually identical. So based on your description — this would work perfectly for you. I should have taken it with me today as it would have been a perfect test for all my airport travelling today. Of course, you could just leave it unlocked, but I find it then changes with the slightest accidental touch.
But you can turn it off in the settings menu. See my earlier uploading post. Hope this helps! Thanks so much for the review. I currently have the polar I own the and have similar inputs. The one thing you should add is, unfortunately, another downer about the bezel:. It will think another finger is pressing on it and get confused when you try to use it. Essentially this, in my book, makes the virtually useless for anyone who ever works out in he rain or perspires!! For example: I once had it mounted on my bike for the bicycle portion of a tri.
When I got out of the water there was a light sprinkle. Jumped on my bike hoping to see my heart rate and speed. Unfortunately the start sequence requires you to do some convoluted bezel magic to get the watch operating press he timer button to unsleep, press and hold the bezel training button for seconds, then press the timer button to start.
That press and hold is what kills you. That is just one of what I find are common incidents because of this poor design decision. Just for running I run into the same issue all the time as perspiration gets on the bezel. Try something else. I just read your Garmin Forerunner and reviews. Very useful, thank you. I find the best buy is the which you did not review.
I take it as a without the heart rate monitor, which I do not think I need. Is this correct? And how useful is the heart rate monitor? But yup it looks like the only difference is the HRM portion. Wow, thanks for the in depth review. You have no idea how long it took me to find one this good!
I was reading that the can use the foot pod outside too when the gps signal is week. Can the do the same? I am also wondering if the foot pod data and be recorded at the same time as the gps so both can be compared after the run eg. Regarding workloads, can the same kind of workloads be uploaded to and ?
As far as I understand workloads can be created with the but for the a PC is needed not a big issue for me. Yes, both watches operate identical in this manner as both can use the footpod outside and inside with or without GPS enabled. Yes, the footpod will record your turnover run cadence , it will also be used if GPS signal is lost. It will not however record two seperate distance tracks.
Using Garmin Training Center any workout can be downloaded to either the or or Regarding the foot pod : I was reading somewhere that the switched automatic between gps and foot pod when the gps signal gets week and I got the impression that with the you would need to do the switch manually. So its good to know that they both use the foot pod the same way. Anotherthing I heard was that the has better summary page during advanced workouts but I am not sure if thats true and what information is displayed in either case.
Thank you for another excellent review! I have a and just got a Cervelo with your same aero bars. Thanks for the info. Does it affect the distance accuracy? The like the will basically extrapolate any missing data points. So it does a simple average to determine pace and.
Thanks for the reply. Do you think adding a footpod will remove any distance discrepancy esp. Only in scenarios where you twist without signal. For example — if you were trail running in a canyon without signal. Or if the tunnel made a significant bend like a U turn.
In that case, it may not have picked up the satellites at the other end of the tunnel and thus incorrectly reported the distance. Interestingly for the DC marathon, the total mileage on SportTracks says Just curious.
Thanks for the review. I have the garmin thats way to bulky and big for my wrists. It gets awful signal and dosent always work. I was looking to upgrade to the I live in the country of southern michigan and have a fair amount of trees around me. Which one do you reccommend? I very much appreciate this review and cant wait to hear your suggestion.
There have been significant improvements in the GPS devices since the Given the recent announcement of the two new watches new variant of the and the — a new variant of the — I might look to see if you would utilize those features. Personally, I prefer the Great review! I too have a and have been using it for about a year.
Last week I finally had a meltdown after Garmin Training Center crashed. And so I wrote blog post about it. My thoughts on the are similar to yours: very nice looking, but with definite limits. The device has its issues, as well as the issues with data transfer process and software. I switched to Sport Tracks this week andit has been wonderful and greatly helped out my frustration. Now, if Garmin would just put touch buttons and a mini USB jack on the You can upload Garmin files to Trainingpeaks if you first export them using the Garmin Training Center.
I really like my however I am very disappointed with the battery life. I have been reading reviews on the and Would you agree? Given what you are saying, I do think the would indeed be your best bet for the price. The only advantages of looking at the newer XT would be for longer activites greater than 10 hours , or underwater usage. Rainmaker, great review.
I am going to purchase the I have a question about software. Do any of the free programs you review allow for the same thing? Yes, both Sports Tracks and Training Peaks allow you to do that. Works great, even allows me to include little pictures of them. You have done really very good site. Great work, great site! Thank you! I think you are the reporter of this products. Great review!! So much good info! Why buy it if all your going to do is winge?
How does yours stuff up so bad? At the end of the day the review is merely my opinion. That said, a lot of folks out there seem to share the general opinion that the is a bit complex than it needs to be. In my opinion, the Forerunner needs a version 2. There are certainly people like yourself who use it and like it. Great review, the most helpful of all reviews out there; better than any Consumer report type of info.
That being said wish I would have found your blog a week ago; I just ordered the from Airmiles rewards…. I think the will still be a great training tool for you in training. The can certainly do everything you need to get you through an Ironman. Great review on the You have covered the watch more comprehensively than any of the other reviews I have seen, good effort and thank you.
Aside from the touch bezel, everything else is considerably improved. You can set auto cycle so it can cycle between 2, 3, or 4 screens. If you are a moderate sweater, or you intend to run in any rain even light , expect one of a few things to happen:. This just happened to me and I was — well, very disgruntled. The workout data was useless at that point. Garmin knows full well about this issue.
Unfortunately all their solutions impact the normal usage of the watch I. Locking the bezel, using auto-scroll, etc. So my advice is — if you intend to sweat — do not get this watch!
I suspect that is why the bezel is gone in the FR The batter will last long enough to run a marathon or cycle a century… but not both. It just beeps incessantly and is completely unmanageable.
During my last paddle, the unit stopped working for the last third of the workout. The software and communications is great although getting it to work for the first time was a pain. Using the watch is especially frustrating. I feel like I need some sort of advanced engineering degree to be qualified and capable.
I can never seem to get to the screen I want when I want it. The bezel is an exercise in patience and not pulling your hair out. Hi Dc How are you. I have only one question. I do triathlon and I need to buy a garmin…wich one you recommend me the or the ?? Forget about the price, wich one you think is the best for training more than in the race?? Well, I took back the yesterday and got the The buttons and menus of the are much easier to use.
I paddle outrigger canoe and surfski. The only downside is the size. I can live with that though. I originally went with the because the seemed to be too big. I have small wrists so I notice the size. I also like the HR strap better. The strap is softer and the sensor is smaller making it more comfy. One more plus is the battery life. Of course it died half way through my workout. In general, the just works where I had to sort of fight and get used to the quirks of the In theory, what you say is correct — but I find it varies quite a bit unfortunately.
You may want to look at the newer FR, which although has less features — it has more battery life. Im trying to decide between the Garmin or the Timex Global Trainer.
I run crosscountry and track. I still have a doubt. Or is this only possible on the XT? I am a beginner in running and mainly intend to run and am looking to upgrade from my current Nike SportBand to a GPS watch. I think that you may want to include the XT or FR in your search. My wife bought one of these poorly designed, form over function watches.
She insists that it does not have a simple stopwatch function for running or biking. Thus, she sets it to countdown from her estimate of time. Since you are the resident expert on these Garmin watches, I thought you could tell me if there is indeed a basic stopwatch and how it can be engaged.
Thanks for your indepth reviews, I wish my wife would have researched before she bought the She really wants my XT. My just totally died. It is less then 2 years old and got condensation in the screen I have never worn it in the water and just went crazy. Garmin told me I must have a faulty seal on it so there was nothing they can do. Will buy the new Times GPS unless someone has a better idea for me.
Tired of forking out a lot of money for watches! WOW- I was considering the specifically for the touch screen option and thinking that it may be a bit less cumbersome to wear than my for interval workouts.
However, after reading your amazing review, I will consider otherwise. Which leads me to my next question- if I wanted a watch that was just for interval training outdoors, what would you suggest? He is a weekend runner and road cyclist, and does the odd 10km run, or sprint duathalon. Could you tell me what you know about the new Garmin Forerunner , and if it has any improvements over the ?
That said, my understanding is the FR has improved by change via the bezel design. Ray, I appreciate you taking the time to write such thorough reviews and eagerly await your review of the I just purchased. I remember you made mention of using the HRM feature during your weight training.
Do you strictly run the HRM and get a pretty graph showing rest periods and spiked heart rates when you are lifting? Any tips or tricks to share. Thanks in advance. Wow, thanks very much for the in depth review. My friend told me that his allows him to do it.
Thanks for any help you can offer. Ray, What an excellent write-up. The bezel is especially a pain. I have to lock it because if one bead of sweat hits it, it will send the watch into schizophrenic mode.
Thanks for your extensive and honest review. Ever since updating my to 2. No luck. I also noticed that indoors trying to drain the battery quickly with the GPS and backlight on it only took about 45 mins to kill it. I guess the battery is finally on its last legs after about a year and a half. Other than this new issue, loved it. Else, Pace Alerts would work. Is this watch a better buy for running than the FR60?
I was looking for a watch that measures instant pace and time. Thanks in advance! I purchased the cx after considerable research, and I feel I have to weigh in on the bezel issue. I love the bezel, and I even find it to be much more intuitive than buttons.
It has worked perfectly right out of the box, including the wireless uploading.
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